new and confused please help re capture and stream with mic

[mrgreaper]

hi im a very new hauppage owner (i had an hours play with it before going to work .....that new!)

heres my old set up

video device Roxio game capture
audio device "virtual audio cable pro" (with the roxio output sound and mic sound splicedin
and occasionly a 2nd virtual audio cable to splice skype in for when doing lets plays with mates
to record i used the default roxio capture device
to stream either vlc or flash media encoder

now i upgraded so i can stream true hd (i have a 50 meg line soon updating to 100meg and a 5meg upload, also 4 core pc with 4.2ghz per core) and to also eliminate the "noise" that appeared on screen when playing through a roxio. This was a big investment for me and i will be luxury free for next two months !

ok so i hooked it all up and i went to set up my virtual audio cables and that leads us to problem 1, to set the cable for the roxio i would go to recording devices, select the mic ...listen to and set device as virtual audio cable 1, then i would go to the roxio out and do the same ....but i cant see the haupagge audio out!

1) where is the hd pvrs audio out in windows? do i have to enable something to see it?

in the accomping software the capture software i couldnt find a way to set the audio device, naturaly once i solve 1) i will need to set it to virtual audio cable or it wont hear my mic! so

2) how do i change the audio device in the capture software?

now onto one of the most sevear issues (ok unable to get my mic working was pretty frustrating but im sure i proberly just over looked a setting..im at work now so cant check) i loaded up flash media encoder to do a test stream for a mate and it couldnt see the hdpvr!!!! no video or sound devices related to that at all so thats 3)

3) how do you select the video and audio from a 3rd party program such as vlc or flash media encoder

I did do a quick test (a fairly in accurate one as it didnt have my mic sorted and was impressed with the video quality (slight hiss to the sound but untill i get the streams sorted right i shant judge that) it was very nice to record in 1080, i havent had a chance to try out the video editor yet but im guessing that will be very similier to the roxio one (should of installed the hdpvr on my laptop so i could of had a play with the software ...doh)

in addition to the 3 questions above any addition advice on:
getting the right ballance between game volume and mic volume
best flash media encoder settings for this (ill be streaming to justintv if that helps)
any tips you have descovered

all that will be greatfully recieved too

right im off to do some work and then hit google

[mrgreaper]

sorry to double post

after a few hours of research (and not enough work)
it seems the hd pvr is a downgrade from the roxio in usability and support. and only an upgrade in terms of video quality

to get audio working i have seen videos and screenshots of elaborate setups using external mixers, spliced cables 2.0 channel audio only, where with roxio it was as easy as buying virtual audio cable

to get streaming working i have seen vids where people have captured thier desktop (specificly the preview window of the software included) which clearly is not going to be true hd and will lag behind on sound)

i have seen tutorials on how to record audio from a mic and video at the same time by using two apps and being real quick at starting both (i kid you not some believed this was acceptable! perhaps i have been spoilt with the roxio)

but i did see this in the faq

Can I push video encoded with Colossus or HD PVR through VLC?
Yes. If you are a developer, you can bring H.264 encoded video in from either Colossus or HD PVR into VLC so it can be streamed out from your PC. Microsoft provides a sample network transmit/receive filter set in their DirectX SDK.
Here is the way this works:
The HDPVR encoder filter produces transport packets. If you (the developer) create a small 'network push' filter that can receive the transport packets in the directshow graph, then forward them to a udp network address and port (for example udp://192.168.1.1:1234), then VLC is capable of receiving and rendering them.
Start VLC from the command line with: vlc udp://192.168.1.1:1234

so how can a non developer set this up?
surely if this exists there has to be apps that will use it.

i feel like i just got rid of a mini to buy a ferri only to get shipped a skoda

[mrgreaper]

really? nearly a week and no help?

at the moment i can only record with the incuded software that means recording voice seperatly and splicing them together in a video editor (and a 2 to 3 hour re-render)

for streaming.... well if i use a scren cap i can out put that and capture the preview window as displayed on my screen, but thats hardly HD and certainly stupid given its an actual capture device but even though i got it to show up in flash media encoder the audio says its not supported and the video says its in use

my guess hauppauge locked down the pvr to stop people using anything but thier applications (drm of sorts) you can bet i wont be recommanding it to any other live streamers

[falcon2081]

at the moment i can only record with the incuded software that means recording voice seperatly and splicing them together in a video editor (and a 2 to 3 hour re-render)

It's pretty much the only way to do it. What are your comp specs? Because I have a 2 year old laptop and my render time is only 20-30min for a 10min video.

for streaming.... well if i use a scren cap i can out put that and capture the preview window as displayed on my screen, but thats hardly HD and certainly stupid given its an actual capture device but even though i got it to show up in flash media encoder the audio says its not supported and the video says its in use

For streaming I would recommend Xsplit. Much better program than FMLE and they support HDPVR as a capture device even though its still a little bit bugged but they are working with Hauppauge.

my guess hauppauge locked down the pvr to stop people using anything but thier applications (drm of sorts) you can bet i wont be recommanding it to any other live streamers

Wrong. Hauppauge did nothing of the sort. Also most console streamers use the HDPVR with no issues whatsoever. I've used FMLE and Wirecast. But Xsplit is the best.

[h0mes]

when streaming make sure you have stereo mix ON

[mrgreaper]

It's pretty much the only way to do it. What are your comp specs? Because I have a 2 year old laptop and my render time is only 20-30min for a 10min video.

Processor: AMD FX(tm)-4170 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs), ~4.2GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM (ddr3)
Gfx: ATI HD5770 1gb model

were talking lets players here that i would normaly stream so about an hour and a half

For streaming I would recommend Xsplit. Much better program than FMLE and they support HDPVR as a capture device even though its still a little bit bugged but they are working with Hauppauge.

xplit when adding the hdr as a camera says no signal from device detected, if i try my old roxio, it pops up right away though im only using the free verson at mo, so i need a license to enable the hauppauge. maybe my issues stem from being used to the roxio where you just pluged it in and it worked (though the quality of the image both throughport and recorded is far supperior on the hd pvr...if it wasnt i wouldnt still be faffing about with it)

Wrong. Hauppauge did nothing of the sort. Also most console streamers use the HDPVR with no issues whatsoever. I've used FMLE and Wirecast. But Xsplit is the best.

couldnt afford wirecast as it is im trying to find a way before my vegas trial runs out !
how did you get past the "device is in use" error with fmle?


*edit*
i went looking for an xsplit tutorial, followed a youtube video ....added sagetv (21 day trial) loaded xsplit ...aimed at portion of screen..yep again its capturing a preview window! not using the actual capture device.
im hoping your method is better then what i was able to find

also xsplit is not free and rather limited for "free" users (25fps, low quality audio)
with the roxio i used vlc and fme both free and with out any limitations, both see the hd pvr but declare it "busy"

its extremely annoying as this was twice the price of the roxio and is true hd ....it shouldnt be harder to use

[falcon2081]

Xsplit is well worth the money if you stream. Reason why you can't add it as a "camera" is because like you said you need to buy the license. $39 for the personal license for 2 years is not bad. It's been a while since I used FMLE but I followed one of the many tutorials on youtube. However the quality when streaming with FMLE is lower than with Xsplit. As for wirecast it is super expensive however there are ways for you to aquire the program around the internet and "try" out, same goes for Vegas Pro.

Edit: I forgot to mention I believe you only do "screen" region with FMLE and not direct capture. Probably why its not working for you.

[mrgreaper]

Xsplit is well worth the money if you stream. Reason why you can't add it as a "camera" is because like you said you need to buy the license. $39 for the personal license for 2 years is not bad. It's been a while since I used FMLE but I followed one of the many tutorials on youtube. However the quality when streaming with FMLE is lower than with Xsplit. As for wirecast it is super expensive however there are ways for you to aquire the program around the internet and "try" out, same goes for Vegas Pro.

Edit: I forgot to mention I believe you only do "screen" region with FMLE and not direct capture. Probably why its not working for you.

when i clicked license they wanted about 40$ for the year, im not sure what that is in £ but i wouldnt pay anything with out first trying something, and since it wont let me select it as a video source only do screen region recording...thier out of luck lol

im getting a dab hand at recording second audio stream and splicing it together later as my youtube videos should show
http://www.youtube.com/user/mrgreaper2009

the quality comes out very nice (the skyrim one being the first of a new encoding technique that allows me to render almost as fast as the video plays, so may be a slight drop in the quality, though i cant see it )

the hdpvr is a very nice device, BUT hauppauge really need to work on opening up the device for other applications!

i now need to figure out how to record two mics though, (if you watch my battlefield with dragon catcher vids you will see im almost talking to my self...time to mic up my mate (dont worry im not going the borg route!)

in the mean time any one figures out how to open up the device to other applications like vlc etc please let me know!